Sunday, January 30, 2011

Blog 2 (January 31-February 4): There are at least two sides...

Background:
In 1973, the landmark Supreme Court case, Roe v. Wade, changed the medical field in the United States forever (visit: Roe v. Wade - Facts or Roe v. Wade - A More Personal Account for more information). This decision legalized abortions for reasons other than medical necessity, rape, and incest.

Controversy has been surrounding this topic since its inception. One area not often explored is that of male rights. Putting aside personal moral and ethical beliefs on the original issue, the idea that a fetus was created by two entities and therefore, both could potentially have a say in the outcome, is an intriguing idea. But, the fetus will reside in the female for approximately nine months. How does that impact the paternal rights?

Assignment:
Abortion is currently legal in the United States. Therefore, in situations that do not involve rape, should both men and women need to agree on the outcome of the pregnancy (ie: an abortion)? In three to four well-developed paragraphs, defend or challenge this question (as always, avoid waffling). Support your position with reasoning and examples taken from your reading, studies, experience, or observations. Use at least two in-text citations from any of the five links within this blog. Use proper MLA format (see this website for help: Citation Assistance).

Links to visit: 
Opinion Piece: A Father's Role
Ethics and the Role of Fathers
A Legal and Anecdotal Look into the Male Role

Optional, extra credit assignment: 
Engage in a meaningful conversation (at least one paragraph or more) with at least one of your classmates. 


Due date: 
Friday, February 4th at midnight

37 comments:

  1. Abortion has long been a controversial topic. I believe that men and women need to agree on the outcome of the pregnancy. The males that are a part of these relationships have certain rights to say how they feel. The two people may not always agree on what the others’ view is, but that’s one of the challenges that are to be faced when a child is conceived. It is one of the more important things that should be discussed; whether or not the child is to be kept once they find out one exists. According to the article “Should Fathers of Unborn babies Be Permitted to Stop an Abortion?”, ‘Biological fathers, however, have no choice and no legal say in the matter. There are no laws which allow a biological father to stop an abortion. American fathers have no rights until the child is born.’ “This quote represents the type of society we live in today.
    Men [in America] who take part in the creation of another human being have no legal rights until the child is outside of the womb. Many of these normal Americans would prefer that the women would put the baby up for adoption once it is safely out in the open. Others would say it is better if the child never see the light of day. I, personally, have to disagree with this last statement. These innocent fetuses are put in the universe for a reason: to be born. If something gets in the way [i.e. abortion] then the cycle of life is messed up. These babies are not mature enough to sit up for themselves, let alone stand up. Normal, everyday people don’t stand up for them, and that’s what allows this unspeakable act of abortion to continue.
    However, if the case turned out to be a rape, then the mother in question should be the only one who decides what to do. In cases like these, the mother should be the only one who makes the decisions, as she knows what the best choice is. The man only cared about the one time and dumped her, leaving her to deal with the baby. Chances are, if someone went up to a rapist and asked him if it was okay if one of his unknown kids was aborted, he would say he didn’t care. Men such as these don’t care about much of anything and would only be a risk to the mom and baby.
    In closing, men should be given an opportunity to voice their opinion; it is, after all, half their blood. Even if their wishes aren’t carried out, it would only be proper to let them say what’s on their minds than ignore them altogether. Their words may even change the mom’s mind and save an innocent fetus from becoming a victim of a horrible crime.

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  2. Throughout the years, abortion has been a very controversial and a much debated over topic. Even though abortion is legal in the United States, the public still finds more reasons to bring the topic back alive. The public has once again brought up the topic by arguing about which parent should decide what is done with the pregnancy. The mother should be the one to have the last word.

    The mother, as we all know, is the parent that has the baby growing inside. This parent has to put up with the pain and pressures of having the baby, unlike the father who would try to care for it after the baby is born. Most of the time, the father is the one to step out of the relationship when his partner is pregnant, like cowards they are. Therefore, they shall not receive any part of the mother's decision of keeping the child or not.

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  3. Abortion is a hard topic to discuss because it is crucial for a women to abort her baby but a lot of people do. It is very understandable for a women to want to abort after being raped but at the same time they are killing a human being. Things like that can be exceptional but not when rape is not involved.
    When a man and woman have sexual contact and they know what they are getting into then they should not abort the baby. Since they knew what they were doing and getting into they should take full responsibility. Most people do not want the responsiblity and just abort it but that is not right.
    When it comes to the decision of the abortion it should be the mothers decision because they are the ones who are going to suffer and take care of the baby. The men are not needed as much as the mothers are and most of the fathers are not there for their kids as the moms are.

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  4. Abortion is a controversial topic to conformt. May people say that it si right for a mother to kill the baby if some one had raped her. I think taht it is totally wrong. Due to that it is killing an innocent life that was not born. The father should have a say in what is going to happen yo the baby.
    In America the man in the relationship or soon to be father should have a say in what happen to the child. Due to that he also helped creat the child that the motehr is caring in the wound. Also, many of them do not have a say until the baby is actually born and only to have a last name of that person. Plus, if the father want to care for the child let him because he will provided all the support and need for the child.
    All in all if the mother and te father creat the child. So the decision should be between them. eventhough to get rid of a child is the easiest thing to do it is also the wrong thing. The connection to a mother and child is created in the nine months that the baby was born.

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  5. Abortion has always been a growing topic in our society but should men be able to decide whether the baby is aborted or not? This situation is complicated because as we all know the mother is the one who has to deal with the physical and mental effects of carrying a child,while the father should be helping to support the child. If a couple is not ready to have a child at the time of pregnancy, the child could potentially grow up in an environment that is not suitable or stable for him/her.If a mother wants to keep her baby or is afraid to abort it,a father could possibly step in a nd save the child from growing up in an environment that was not meant for them at that time. Obviously if people are not ready for children, they should do all they can to stay protected, but in this day of age, many don't. So it's very important for both parents to have a say in abortion because the child is something that was created by the unclever decisions of not just the mother but the father too. its as much his child as it is hers.
    A mother has to carry the child for 9 months, and as we all know, alot can happen in a period of 9 months. People become exhausted, and stressed inthe result of pregnancy, and this can lead to many other issues like lack of education and focus on creating a stable environment for the child. sometimes abortion can be the best thing even if the mother doesnt think so at the moment. A fathers mindset should automatically be on the well=being of his family and if a secure home and financial needs are impossible at the moment , i believe the man should have a right to decide as well.

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  6. Abortion is a highly controversial issue. Most are cautious about discussing such a touchy subject. One factor commonly dealing with abortion is, who has the right to say that they can abort a baby. I personally believe abortion is wrong, but if it is going to be done there has to be a mutual agreement between both parents.
    A father has just as much of a say in the process as the mother. In order for an abortion to be final both sides should be 100% sure it is what they want. They are taking a life after all. Abortion is a huge decision but it is also a sign of cowardice. Abortion is the easy way out.
    The parents must agree on abortion. They have to also take other options such as adoption. Abortion is the same as killing a human baby and it is sad. It could turn out to be the hugest mistake someone ever made and they would have to live with it.

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  7. Abortion has been something we been dealing for a long time. Many times we had arguments about abortion being legal in the United States. Personally, I think abortion is wrong. Who has the right to kill a life, and who has the right to kill a dream nobody. People go to jail for killing than why is it legal to abort a baby when you’re taking his life away. This should not be legal in the United States the government shouldn’t let things happen.
    Having an abortion is killing an innocent life even though some people had abortion because that got rape but somebody and that just didn’t want remember what happen. The problem with that is that the baby didn’t have any reasonability with it, it was not his fault the baby could have had one the best lives anybody could had. The baby could have been the next president you never know until you give them a chance to live.
    Aborting a baby should be a part of the mother and father because they are one that created the baby and they should the one aborting it. It should not just be only the mother because if the father wanted he couldn’t do anything about it. The father should have some authority for the baby because he is one of the parents. The father is the one that always takes care of the family so he should have authority what’s happening to him. Abortion is really common now and we should do something about it and that is giving authority to father about yes or no about aborting his baby. We should help the mothers not abort their babies because some mothers have regretted what they have done and they can’t do anything about it. Let people know how it feels like to lose something that could have been great.

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  8. A lot happens when a women becomes pregnant. Talks start to unfold, such as what should i do with the baby? Am i even ready for a baby? The topic of abortion also comes to mind. This is a talk a lot of women have with their significant others. While others don't even say anything and make their own decisions. Are they wrong for not consulting their significant other about an abortion?

    A women should have the only say when it comes to an abortion. If a women does not want to keep a baby she should consult it with herself. Why should she keep a child she doesn't want for 9 months? A man doesn't have to worry about the changes that happen to the body, like woman does. A man doesn't have to gain weight or have the pain of child labor. That's why the full choice should go to a women.

    Men are also known to have intimacy with a women and leave them. This happens a lot in our society. We also see this in our own school. They shouldn't have any decision because their first thought is to walk away. This is true because men can easily blame the baby on another guy or just continue to deny the fact that they ever had sex with the girl.We can see an example in the article, A Legal and Anecdotal Look into the Male Role,Riana said, "The whole thing was freaking him out far more than me." He waffled between extremes, from frightened but solid support to getting drunk and high to try to make it go away. Riana obtained an abortion and the relationship broke up.(Thomas Strahan, J.D.)Should these men have a decision?

    Men are just men they shouldn't have a voice in a womens' pregnancy. A women can now conceive a baby without a mans help. So its pretty straight forward that a woman can do anything without any ones consent, but her own. Men shouldn't have anything to say because they are not letting a baby grow inside of them. It a woman's choice what she decides to do withe the baby and her body.

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  9. The father has an impact on whether or not the child should be aborted.
    Men help in the process of conceiving a child,i see no reason why the male should not have a choice.Of course, women are the ones who are taking care of the child by carrying them around everywhere,but it does not give them all of the power to choose to end a child life. For example, if you are in a relationship in which you and your spouse are living together but they are making more money than you; would you think it fair that your opinion
    would be excluded when using the money to buy items such as furniture or cars? It would not be fair, you would think that your opinion would be valued after choosing to live with your significant other while also dealing with the fact that they are the "bread winners".
    Not only would it be unfair to yourself because your opinion would not be valued, but it is also wrong to abort a child that you and your partner had worked on having. A child is a miracle, they do not just happen as easily as buttering toast,or tieing shoes. No, having a child takes alot of commitment from both spouses and for the option to have a child aborted after the agreement that they had for the good of the child is just selfish. As Goerge W. Harris once said,"abortion itself causes a further harm to the father in addition to
    the deception". Men will go to extreme lengths to save their children from being aborted, the women that are affiliated with these men know how far they will go.For example, in Ethics Guide: Father's Rights it is said that,"In 1987 and 2001 men attempted in the UK courts to prevent their former partners having abortions; they failed". Sure the men failed, but didnt they proove how badly then wanted to have the child which was by taking their spouses to court?
    A father is an important part to having a family, without a father many families grow disfunctional until a new one comes along. Why would'nt you want the father who works hard to pay for whatever he and his spouse wants, the one who will defend his loved ones at any costs, the one
    who will do what is right for the good of the ones he loves. Would you tell your man that he cant have a child now?

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  10. Abortion has been an intense and controversial debate for over decades. An aspect of abortion that has been ignoring for over years is the male's opinion. The court system support the women as she decides to abort the baby without notifying the father of the decision that has been reach or the existence of the fetus. I am against this because I believe a father should have a say throughout the child's life when as the child is an embroyed. As bbc.co.uk stated, "Most legal systems don't allow a father to escape responsibility for his child and for paying to support that child". In addition, we have heard over and over again that a male needs to take responsibility for his child whether he wants them or not. So why does the women get to decide without notifying the father, when that fetus is only half of hers.
     
    Furthermore, responsibility plays a role in this debate because if the male has to be responsible for the baby after he is born, why cant he make decisions before he is born? That fetus is form by two parties without either one, the baby is not conceived. So why does the women right's over power the male rights when they both have an equal share of responsibility for the creation of the fetus?
     
    Yet others may argue that the fetus is in the women's body therefore she has more rights, "westerncourier.com" agrees with this statement by adding, "woman's freedom to have an abortion has nothing to do with her right to choose or not to choose parenthood; it has to do, rather, with her right to choose what she can do with her body. This is a legitimate argument and is hopefully the reason many women's rights activists fight anti-abortion legislation." I still find it very disappointing that women are irresponsible and can not own up to their mistakes. If we want men to own up to their responsibilities a woman should do the same.

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  11. It is always hard for unprepared parents to have a child, and figure out what to do with the unborn fetus. But it is obviously harder for conflicting partners to have an agreement in whether to keep the baby or not. I believe with how I see life, that since the two people decided to mutually have sexual intercourse they should both have a part in the agreement in whether to abort the baby keep it, and put it in adoption. In a country where equality is important, a man even though he could not carry the baby, should have the right to keep it if the woman does not want it.

    If two people made the decision to have intercourse and not protect themselves, even though they know that if they do not do so they will most likely become impregnated. If the man but the woman does not want to have the baby, they should both come to an agreement in whether to keep, give the baby up for adoption. Who are the people who are trying to give their baby’s life away? If you come from a religious perspective like many, and maybe if you just have a heart, you know that it is not right to take an innocent life away. This means that if the man decides to ultimately keep the baby he should have the right to do so. He had a part of this, and if he has a great of a heart as he is showing, then he will take care of the baby better than anyone else would.

    Equality to this country is important, and we believe what a man can do a woman can do and vise-versa. If, a man decides to keep the baby that is unwanted of the mother, then why would the mother care to give it away to him? If she is so ignorant, then she would be more than glad to give up the baby she had in her for nine months without a problem. Women shouldn’t make such a big deal out of something they basically consider to be nothing. They are going to want to trash the life of their child anyway, so why not let it try to have a life with someone who actually wants them.

    A man, if he cares enough to want to keep his child, even if he is not with the woman anymore, I believe he deserves to have the right to consider the option of not letting his partner not abort their baby. If they both decide to abort the baby that is a different story, because maybe they are not ready, but since the man doesn’t agree to abort, let the man have the right to his child. He was a part of making it, let him be in its life to love and care for it life no one else would. Abortion is wrong-doing, especially if one of the partners doesn’t not agree.

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  12. Eric, you did a good job expressing yourself on this topic, but I have to say I disagree with you. A man is not always the "bread winner" and in this century a woman can fend for herself. So having a baby isn't a mans option. Aborting a baby is not always selfish. What if the girl isn't ready for respnsibities or she still wants to explore her horizons? She could most likely harm her own child. Woman are smart they know what they want and if they don't want child they shouldnt have one. Also, a man can want a baby and fend for it, but in reality they won't take care of a baby. Men only thing they are taking care of a baby if they give it all the material things. Babies need more than material stuff. A woman can take care of a baby, but is she's not ready than she is allowed to abort with her significant other's consent.

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  13. Abortion has always been the main issues within debates. Currently, most women have made decisions on whether to have abortions or not, leaving the men to watch from beyond, and not alternate a women’s choice. I agree that men and women do not both have to agree on abortion because it is the women’s body, and she has the potential to say what goes. On the other hand, men should be supportive on women’s decisions, and they should not interfere with her choices.

    The outcomes of pregnancies are always put forth by women. As Rachel Carpenter stated, “All American women do have the legal choice to abort the baby. American fathers have no rights until the child is born” (associatedcontent.com). It is true because women are the ones that carry the unborn child and have rights to do what she intends to do. Most men would object to women’s abortion, but they are not the one who can control her body. Since the women have the actual unborn child, men can not provoke women to get an abortion unless she decides to do so.

    The responsibilities towards the child come from the women. Men should support the women, but should not force the women to make choices that she disagrees to. “According to the U.S Supreme Court, whether he is a husband or boyfriend, the father has no legal right even to be notified prior to his wife or girlfriend obtaining an abortion” (Nrlc.org). Most couples should always agree towards big decisions, but when it comes towards personal situations, such as abortion, women have the right to make that choice. Sure, men would disagree, but it makes sense. Women go through pregnancies because they choose to, which means that women, who do not want children, can choose to do so.

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  15. In situations that do not involve rape, should both men and women need to agree on the outcome of the pregnancy? No. Whether the man and woman intended for the pregnancy, or it was a “one-night-stand”, it is the woman’s body, therefore, the woman’s choice. “Biological fathers, however, have no choice and no legal say in the matter” (Carpenter 1). They may have a say, but not a legal say. Yes, it may be hard to know that the woman you had an intimate connection with will have an abortion with YOUR child, but it should be the woman’s decision because she will be the one enduring the pain, she will be the one whose body changes, and she will be the legitimate one with the responsibility, the role of a mother, and the nutritional care for the child.


    Because I am a female, and it may seem as if I am biased, I will keep a male’s side in this controversial topic. A male might say, “It took both of us to make the baby, so it’s my child, too, and I should have a say.” That is true, however, the male has to put the pregnant woman before his self-interests. The woman, legally, has the right to not even inform the father of the child that she is either pregnant or getting an abortion. “Thus, she not only has a legal right to make the decision on her own, [but] it is assumed that input of husbands or boyfriends is of little importance” (Strahan, J.D. 1).


    Therefore, in situations that do not involve rape, only women need to agree on the outcome of her pregnancy, even if it includes abortion. Should the woman take into consideration the man’s saying, it overall depends on the woman’s decision. It is her body, her property, and her decision.


    Carpenter, Rachel. "Should Fathers of Unborn Babies Be Permitted to Stop an Abortion?" Yahoo! Contributor Network 05 5 2010. 1. Yahoo. Web. 4 Feb 2011. .


    Strahan, J.D., Thomas. "Male Role is Frequently Crucial in Abortion Decision." n.d. 1. Web. 4 Feb 2011. .

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  16. Abortion is a very controversial topic in our society today. People have different views and opinions on abortion. In my opinion i believe that the father should have a say if the mother wants to abort a child. It took two people to create the baby so therefore both parents should have a say in the decision.
    Women are allowed more rights than males because they have legal rights and males don't. In the article Should Fathers of Unborn Babies Be permitted to Stop an Abortion it says, " all American women do have the legal choice to abort a baby" I understand that there are situations where a women becomes pregnant not by choice and wants nothing to do with the baby. If so i think that the parent should consider adoption or maybe they will even get to love that baby.
    I believe that there should be a law that says that the father has the same rights as the mother even if the baby is not born yet. There has to be some kind of equality in decisions like this. I would be very upset if my child was not going to get a chance at life just because the mom did not want to give birth to him or her. If aborted then you will always wonder what if that baby would have been born how different would your life be. So thats why i think that the father should have a say in the decision of aborting a baby.

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  17. It takes two human beings to conceive another human being it does not occur with one person. Abortion has been an issue in our country for a long time, but when does it make right to abort? The father and mother both have the right to make the choice whether to keep the child or not. It takes two humans to make another, yes it is the woman’s body that is being through a lot [but] each parent has the responsibility to take part of the pregnancy, the unborn child. It should not matter if both of the parents once had a “one night stand” or if the pregnancy was unplanned. The father has the same right as the mother, it is clear that we live in a country that believes that all men should have the same equality. It is not clear why only the woman who is said to be carrying the child has the final word. The male should as well have his say in what the outcome will be for their unborn fetus.

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  18. A woman’s body is a temple; therefore it should be well taken care of. As a fellow classmate has commented that a woman should have the right to do what she wants with her body, she is the one who is in control, but does it make okay to get rid of a living breathing human being that slowly is growing inside of her without informing the child’s father. I strongly disagree with you Brenda, no unborn fetus should be killed because the mother decided to, and especially without the child’s fathers opinion. As everyone knows it takes two human beings to create another life! It is not fair to males to be limited to what they can and cannot not say. If the woman cares about her self image, maybe it would have been a good idea to think about what she was getting her self into before she conceived that child accidentally. Both parents have the equal rights to decide the outcome of the child.

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  19. To Nancy: First of all, I enjoyed reading your blor response, you made very valid points. I still believe that men should have a say in the matter of a child that they have helped concieved. Women should know how it feels to be belittled, so why would they do it to anyone else knowing how horrible it feels? Do men know that women play an important role in the play that we call childbirth? Yes, and we men also know women to be more sensitive and considerate about people's feelings ragardless of sex and age. As well as being considerate, it is not as if the person is a strager. The person is their significant other, a person that they have known for a long time. As for their future,maybe this child is exactly what the couple needs. The birth of a child can do many things such as:strengthening a person's character along with relationship,motivating a person to work harder because of a child they have.

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  22. There are many arguments regarding abortion. Is it right to terminate a pregnancy, even though the couple knew the possible outcome of their joining? Can it be moral to give up a living being inside of you for reasons, such as financial issues? There is no possible way to find out if abortion is a good choice for the people it will come to affect. However, no one is able to predict the future. Everyone believes that pregnancy is the greatest miracle. But a newborn baby is one of the hardest things a couple can go through. This is why the person who has the most common sense should decide if an abortion is the best option.

    A nine month pregnancy has many consequences: fatigue, backaches, unending cravings, and the everlasting stretch marks. I agree that women go through a lot during pregnancy and must endure child labor. However, they are not alone in this endeavor. They must remember who put them through this agony: their bedmate. Pregnancies are hard to handle alone, and many need support during this time; whether this support comes in the form of family or friends. Carrying a baby for nine months is a lot of work, and this is one of the reasons why the woman should decide the outcome of her pregnancy: to keep it, or not to.

    If a woman finds herself in a difficult situations where she is unable to keep the baby, then by all means, terminate it. There are many circumstances in which a baby cannot be kept. I understand that this new life was made by two people, and these two people must collaborate to come up with a decision. However, in these times, it is hard to think clearly. Who doesn't want a child; a baby boy, or girl, running around calling you "mom" or "dad"? It is the perfect picture to a picture-perfect family. But let us be real; not all of us can afford the necessities needed by a baby. Raising a child in a low-income home is difficult, and no one should have to endure it; neither child or parent.

    Overall, no one can clearly think when they find that a baby is on the way. A baby is the greatest gift that can be given, but it has its hardships. However, many people overlook these bad times when they can only imagine a cute baby sleeping in its cradle. Common sense is hard to come by when it is dealing with another life. But common sense must be used in these situations. A person, either male or female, do not want to ruin a life, and can see that abortion may be the best option given to them.

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  23. Abortion is a huge topic around the united states. The father and mother both have the right to determine the fate of the child, but that does not mean to abort it. No one should have the right of taking the life of an infant, even if it is their own.

    A father should have a right to stop an abortion. As it states in the article Should Fathers of Unborn Babies Be Permitted to Stop an Abortion?, "have no choice and no legal say in the matter". There is no law in the united states that allows the father to interfer with the abortion.

    I belive that the biological father should have the right to stop an abortion. Althouh it is the women's body, but it takes two to make a child. The father should have the right to at least encourage the mother to give it up to a family.

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  24. Pregnancy is a life changing experience for both men and women. Many Decisions take place, The choices vary. Wether it's bringing a new life into the world or giving up a child for adoption. One of the most argued subjects in society today is Abortion. This has become one of the most controversial topics spoken about because many people have different views and opinions. I think men should be able to talk about their feelings.It should not only take a woman to decide the death of a fetus that has not been given a chance at life. After all it did take both a man and a woman to create a child. Men should have the same rights as a woman. Yes we all make mistakes after all we are humans, but there should be a limit as to aborting a child. There are many other options... Would you wanna be taken away the opportunity to live just because another human being doesnt want you to have it?

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  25. In most cases, the easy way out of a pregnancy is abortion. Now of course, abortion has attracted much controversy and has brought a lot of moral issues into light. One of the moral issues involving abortion is the father's rights to unborn babies. It takes two to make a baby. But does that mean both the conceivers should both make decisions? Should the dad have a say about the outcome of the growing baby inside the mother's womb? Or should the mom have full custody over the fetus since it is residing in her own body?

    Personally, I believe abortion is wrong and no one has the right to pull the cord on somebody else's life, especially on a growing baby that can't even speak for itself. However, I do believe that both the conceivers of the baby should have something to say for their unborn child. According to AssociatedContent.com, “[i]f they want to offer to parent the child, they should be given the chance to do so.” Also, the mom and the dad chose to make adult decisions when they had sex. They knew the consequences of sex would result in many things, one of them being a pregnancy. They also made a commitment and a promise to each other when they slept together. They got themselves into this, so therefore, it's their responsibility to take matters into their own hands as mature adults. If the mom starts bitching about how she can do whatever the hell she wants because it's her body, then she probably shouldn't have had sex in the first place. Now not must she only carry the burden in her belly, she also has to make decisions with the father. Now when you put all this together in terms of abortion, both the parents must decide on whether or not they are for abortion or against it. If there are conflicting ideas, then they are pretty much in for a wild ride.

    In a quote taken from Bbc.co.uk, “A woman can legally deprive a man of his right to become a parent or force him to become one against his will.” Armin A. Brott believed that women could find loopholes in the legal system and bend it to their will. Many women believe that they can get whatever they want, especially when it comes to pregnancies and birth. An unprepared, pregnant mother could argue that no one has control over her body, that it is not up to anyone to decide what should be done when the baby is living inside her belly, and that the men don't have the option to feel the pain a woman has to go through when giving birth. However, the unprepared, pregnant woman needs to shut up because she was the one to decide to possibly get knocked up. As for the pain, that's life. The world is not ridden of pain and suffering for anybody. Women need to learn how to suck it up and accept the fact that they have to go through the pains of birth. But no amount of pain in the vaginal area can take away a man's right to an unborn baby. If anything, he is part of the reason why the baby's popping out in the first place.

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  26. Abortion is a controversial topic even until this day. Many believe that abortion should be illegal while others believe that it is just immoral. Abortions should be decided by both the man and the woman if it ever happens.

    Although many women claim that because the fetus is in their body, they have the right to do whatever they please. However, we need to realize that that fetus has developed on behalf of the male. Because males are responsible, they should have a say in an abortion. In the article, "Should Fathers of Unborn Babies Be Permitted to Stop an Abortion?" states that "many Americans, who are strongly opposed to abortion, feels that father's should have rights to pre-born babies." Women primarily assume that because she wants an abortion, her husband wants one too. Women don't realize that men may want to actually have the baby. In the article, "Abortion: Fathers' Rights", they point out that "Fathers' right have not been much discussed." that statement is true because women don't consider the male's opinion or wants in an abortion.

    Abortions sound outragous and immoral. However if it does happen both men and women should have a say. Men are equally responsible for that unborn baby and they have a right to say what they want and have the baby as they wish.

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  27. Abortion rights are one of the most controversial issues. Should the father of the baby have the rights to stop an abortion? I believe that it is only fair that both the man and woman get to decide whether they are keeping their child. In many cases, women abort their child because they are not ready, they are pressured into getting an abortion, or they can’t do it alone. Abortion is a serious issue, and in some relationships, turn into regret.

    Fathers should have the right to decide whether or not an abortion is the best choice. After all, it is their child too. Many Americans, who are against abortion, believe the father should have rights to their pre-born child. “But the law of America do not support a father’s rights of unborn children.” (Carpenter) The idea that fathers should have rights to pre-born babies is not recognized because the woman is the one giving birth, so she should have the decision on what to do with her body. That is not morally right, because the mother did not make the baby alone. “They argue that a fetus is not a human being yet, and therefore the father cannot have any legal rights in the matter.” (Carpenter)

    In some cases, the men do not want the baby, so they pressure the woman into getting an abortion, or end up leaving both of them. There are also cases in which the father does want to keep the baby. Some people take the problem to court. Although the mother wants an abortion, the father may be willing to keep and care for his child. Why kill an innocent baby when someone can love him/her? There are yet no laws that say a father can stop an abortion. The fetus is inside the woman’s body, so it is her right to do what she wants with her body, even if it involves getting an abortion.

    Carpenter, Rachel. “Should Fathers of Unborn Babies Be Permitted to Stop an Abortion?” Associated Content. Yahoo! Contributor Network, May 5, 2010. Web. 4 February 2011.

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  28. Abortion has been a topic debated on for years. The aspect of abortion that has not been very covered is that of the father’s say in the abortion. Not many people view fathers as having the right to agree or disagree with a women’s decision to abort. In the article “Male Role in Frequently Crucial in Abortion Decision”, it is stated, “According to the U.S. Supreme Court, whether he is a husband or boyfriend, the father has no legal right even to be notified prior to his wife or girlfriend obtaining an abortion.” This shows that a fathers views on his own child is viewed as insignificant.
    A man has the same right as a woman to a child. Even though the one that has to go through the pregnancy, it takes two to have a baby. The woman could not have the baby; she needs a man to have it. Therefore, the baby is not all hers; it is both hers and the mans. In Dexter’s article, “Roe v. Wade: Its History and Impact” it shows abortion as a woman’s right/ for example, it says “Roe, the Supreme Court found that a woman’s right to decide whether to become a parent deserves the highest level of constitutional protection.” (Dexter)It only speaks of the right that woman have of not having a child. What about the after? Why does he not have a say on the matter?

    If a man is needed to conceive a child, then he should be needed to decide on the child’s future. If the man is willing to care for the child when it is born, then he should be able to have a say in the decision. He should not been thrown aside ones his job is done.

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  29. @Jenny :)

    I see your point of it being the woman that has to go through labor and having the child. However, humans are not asexual and women need a man to be able to have said child. Put yourself in the man’s position. In many situations, a man wants to have and care for the baby but the woman does not want to have a child. Even though the man is willing to care for the child, she views it as only her decision. If the man is willing to be a father, why should he not have a right to care for a living human? Even if the baby has not been born yet, it is his child too. If the child becomes his responsibility after s/he is born, then why is not his child before it is born?

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  31. The decision to abort an unborn child is a controversial topic that has been focused on throughout history. It is obvious that the baby was created by both beings therefore both should have the right whether to abort it or not. This topic has been under the magnifying glass for quite some time although the words of a biological father have yet to be acknowledged.

    "Biological fathers, however, have no choice and no legal say in the matter. There are no laws which allow a biological father to stop an abortion. American fathers have no rights until the child is born" said by Rachel Carpenter in the article “Should Fathers of Unborn babies Be Permitted to Stop an Abortion?” Just because the baby hasn't been born yet and is still considered a "fetus" doesn't mean the fathers have less of a right. He has taken action into creating the baby so the "fetus" belongs to him as much as it does to the women. Rights should be given tot eh father as soon as the tests show that the women is pregnant. It a decision they should be able to make together and discuss.

    Rachel Carpenter also states that "If they want to offer to parent the child, they should be given the chance to do so." I agree with this because if the mother has reasons why she doesn't want to keep the child then why is she taking away the rights from the biological father? He is offering to take the child under his roof and into his arms yet he still has no say. If he wants to raise the child himself then why not let him? By the mother doing that she is taking away a life from the father who wants to take care of that fetus. She may be the one caring for it for nine months until birth, but after that he will be the one caring for it for the remainder of his life.

    When a women becomes pregnant the father should gain equal rights to the child as she does. He should be able to discuss things with her and agree on abortion if so needed. The biological farther could be saving a life and if that is taken away we will never be able to see what the child will blossom into.

    Carpenter, Rachel. “Should Fathers of Unborn Babies Be Permitted to Stop an Abortion?” Associated Content. Yahoo! Contributor Network, May 5, 2010. Web. 4 February 2011

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  32. @Lena:

    I agree with your standpoint. Women may think that they have all the rights and can do whatever they want because the fetus is in their body, but it's true that the male has taken part too. He took the action in having sex and this was the outcome. They both took part in this and should both have a say as to what will happen next. I really like your support given for your standpoint also

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  33. Even though it takes two to produce a child there is always one who has to suffer the greater consequences. Childbirth is the most painful procedure a woman could ever go through. Pregnancy can sometimes bring out the women's weakness in the situation; there are some women who wouldn't go through childbirth because they don't think they are ready for motherhood. Therefore I believed that women should be the only one who decides whether to agree or disagree on abortion.

    Unlike a woman, the man doesn't have to go through nine months of pregnancy. If the women is the one who goes through all the pain, then why should the man decide what happens to the women's body? There are many talks on how abortion is the same as killing a baby; but there was this couple ( Liane and Leo ) were the woman argued about keeping his child and how the man said "Not a child, a blob of tissue". During the first weeks of pregnancy the word isn't technically a child but a fetus.

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  34. (Sorry this is late!)

    Abortion, in many ways, will create problems in a relationship,especially between the male and female producers. However, both aren't given the same authority and privilege to determine what should be done to the fetus. It is assumed that because the female will be enduring the nine month pregnancy as well as the painful birth process.

    Aside from the fact that a fetus remains in a female womb for approximately nine months, both male and female individuals should have the right to determine the fetus's outcome because both were its creators. The female egg produces a fetus with the assistance of a male sperm, meaning both should have equal say in the situation.

    While some women prefer to abort and men prefer to keep the baby; most cases are vice verse. Some women do keep the baby for reasons due to
    male attachment. There are women who believe that due to keeping the baby, they will always have a closeness to the baby's father which is
    why the men would prefer abortion (in these cases). Also, there are women who keep the baby due to the fact that they will receive child
    support. If the man believes there should be an abortion, why make him pay for something that he didn't want to keep? "A woman can legally deprive a man of his right to become a parent or force him to become one against his will." (Armin A. Brott, bbc.co.uk) Men shouldn't be forced into paying child support for the first nineteen years of the child's life. It can be found as morally wrong to have an abortion without the informing the father. However,some 23% said their husband or partner wanted her to have an abortion.(Thomas Strahan, J.D., nrlc.org) The 28% of women had an abortion because the man desired it, and what about the other 72%? Men and women should be able to sit down and carefully decide and agree on a certain outcome.

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  35. (I don't know if this still applies.)

    Nancy: You start off by asking questions of what the mother parent should do with the baby or if she is even ready, but don't you think that even the father parent thinks about these specific things as well? Yes, a women is responsible for enduring the nine month pregnancy and the birth, but what if she is the one who doesn't want the abortion? A pregnancy isn't about changes in a body or the pain, it is about having the opportunity to give life to an infant in which the mother, in this case, can offer. Also, you seem to talk about the situation in which the female chooses the option to abort. What if the male chooses abortion is the right thing to do, but the female disagrees? There are men who believe they are not ready for the baby, but in the end, they have no say. If this is so, why risk keeping the baby to have a horrible father figure? You should also take into consideration that there are women out there who keep the baby for financial support in their lives. One thing that caught my eye is the comment in the first sentence in your last paragraph, "Men are just men they shouldn't have a voice in a womens' prenancy." What is this suppose to mean? Are are you saying that all men are ignorant individuals that just "hit it and quit it", or are you saying men in general should have no say in any situation at all? This statement seems to be very stereotypical and not always true. Another thing, you should work on your grammar because there are a lot of mistakes in your writing.

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  36. (Posting for Brittny Wiliams, period 2 - ON TIME)

    Abortion. Its a tough topic. Some say yes and of course, some disagree completely. The purpose of abortion is
    to stop a life from coming into existence. However, what reasons are appropriate to abort a human life, if at all? Society says that as long as its for a medical purpose its appropriate. Things like rape. But what if the person wasn't raped, but merely didn't take the proper precautions to avoid from getting pregnant? Or what if the people involved were drinking and wasn't able to use the proper precautions? Tough to pick a side huh?

    Abortion should only be reserved for rape victims or some other severe medical reasons for the woman to have the only say in whether she has an abortion. However if both parties did something stupid like getting drunk at a party and not paying attention, it should be up to both the man and the woman. After all its his baby too, not just hers.

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  37. abortion has always been a fatal issue when it comes to dealing with the future of a young family, in most cases.even though abortion is commitited and has earased forever that life that could have exsisted, the act that was takin by the person will never be earased from thier memory,and it will forever be somthing they will have to carry in thier conscience.

    The decision however should be takin by the female and male that participated in the event. even though the female is the one who will have it ,it should always be the desicion of the family as a whole.the fetus may belong more to the mother but it could not have been created without the father.therefore the decision should be of both parents.

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